Podcasts and Audio




Why followers should be part of any leadership program

Original Air Date: February 27, 2018

With Maureen Metcalf on
Innovative Leaders Driving Thriving Organizations

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With Dawn Phillips at Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC)

Original Air Date: June 16, 2016


Wayne Hurlburt Podcast Interview

Original Air Date: 1/26/2010 8:00 PM
Ira Chaleff: The Courageous Follower Leadership thinker, author, and Founder and President of Executive Coaching & Consulting Associates Ira Chaleff describes how everyone is a follower some of the time. He removes the passive connotations of the role and shares ideas, insights and the tools needed for followers to partner with leaders. He shares guidance for leaders to encourage followers to be heard and to participate in the process. The result is increased support for leaders, reduced dissatisfaction and cynicism. Organizations will be strengthened through fewer mistakes, and better and more open and honest feedback.

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Bookends Book Club

Ira was interviewed about courageous followership in a podcast on Thursday, October 29, 2009 by Susan Stamm. The interview is part of a monthly series, “Meet the Author,” for  the online Bookends Book Club, which features books on organizational management.

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Doug Noll Show: Interview with Ira Chaleff, February 12, 2009

On February 12, 2009, Ira Chaleff did an hour-long podcast interview for The Doug Noll Show. In it he discusses how he came to write about Courageous Followership, how it plays out in hierarchies and work environments, and strategies for speaking candidly and effectively to one’s leaders. For the first time, in a podcast, Chaleff discusses an online book he wrote in response to wartime atrocities in West Africa: “Lessons of a Revolutionary.” The podcast can be listened to in four segments or as a whole:

Each segment is described as follows:

Being a Courageous Follower: A Conversation with Ira Chaleff

In these troubled economic times, much criticism has been directed to business, finance, and government leadership for the failures that have led us to the brink of economic catastrophe. What is not talked about is the follower-mentality that supported the failed leadership. “What?” you wonder, “It wasn’t my fault! I couldn’t stop them!” Well, think again. Being a follower has as much responsibility for success and failure as being a leader and Doug’s guest , Ira Chaleff, talks about why that is true. Ira Chaleff author of the award-winning book, The Courageous Follower: Standing Up To and For Our Leaders. Ira is also the co-editor of the Art of Followership: How Great Followers Create Great Leaders and Organizations. His website is courageousfollower.net. Ira and Doug talk about Ira’s early influences, which included personal awareness of the Holocaust and the My Lai massacre during the Viet Nam war. Ira became interested in why people follow destructive leaders and developed a model to help people avoid the consequences of bad leadership. Ira explains that courageous leadership involves five behaviors: Assuming personal responsibility for your own work, serving your leadership, questioning and challenging your leadership with care and support, participating in transformation, and taking a moral stance when required.

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Ira and Doug talk about the fact that many people are disenchanted with their leaders. Ira says that we should focus on the personal strengths of our leaders and work with those rather than dwell on the negative. Courageous followership asks two questions: Is my self-interest being met and is my leader’s interest being met at the same time.

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Courageous followership requires three elements. First, the courageous follower must build a relationship with the leader based on support and trust. Second, the courageous leader must be willing to risk the relationship by being candid in a constructive way. Finally, the courageous follower must be skillful, recognizing that every person can potentially be defensive and reactive if confronted in the wrong way. Leaders can encourage courage followership through a clear demonstration of a commitment to listening and seeking out diverse opinions.

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Doug asks Ira about his interest in the nature of revolutionary violence in West Africa. Ira talks about his free book, downloadable at lessonsofarevolutionary.org, which describes the problems of violence in Sierra Leone.

Click to hear Ira with Doug Noll Part 4